appreciate that very, very much. [laughter] what part mystified you? capuano saying that? stuart: yeah. neil: had he not been he would have said stuart. stuart: i know he is frequent guest on your program. evidently he just confused fox business people just like that. easily done. neil: my favorite moment, i don't want to bore you too much, one time i went just to see what occupy wall street gathering was like down at wall street. it was dusk. there were people there thinking i was sean hannity. i kid you not. they're cursing at me and saying hosch things. so i curse back at them. next day people saying sean hannity. stuart: good one, neil. neil: no, that was stuart varney >> all yours. neil: all right. grant. i'm not going to let him get away with that. neil cavuto.

stocks on top of with deutsche bank and all of its ills, someone will rescue them, whether the german government or consortium of players. bottom line the optimism here someone comes in to stimulate, to rescue, to be a backstop to provide protection for capitalist institution might be in trouble. how many times we have seen this. i will not begrudge a rally. we'll begrudge rallies if you're long the market. i do look at rationale behind this one presumably anytime there is stimulus, anytime the looks like the fed continues to provide easy monies or governments stand by beleaguered banks we're off to the races. that is not a reason to be off to the races. a reason to start questioning why we're off to the races. first to connell mcshane what is really going on this final trading day of the month. connell?

>> hard to tell but oning thing we talk about the market and deutsche bank stock price is linked. part of it as you say the bank eventually may be bailed out. there is also a lot out there today, if not bailed out in the traditional sense deutsche bank may be helped out by the justice department of the united states. the stock is up 12% after hitting all-time low earlier. the justice department requested $14 billion to settle an investigation of mortgage-backed securities with deutsche bank. all over the place, as we take longer term look at the stock, it is still down the where it was, all over the place, wall street trading floors and twitter sphere and places like that there is speculation that $14 billion number may come way down to something like five or six billion dollars. that would be much less after hit of deutsche bank. speculation not confirmed but enough to drive stocks.

what do we mean by that this is remarkable. i know you love a good chart, neil as much as next guy. the deutsche bank and pardon up with the s&p 500. they're tied together. 23 1/2 hours is better way of saying it, 12:30 eastern time the story started to hit the wire hedge funds pulling out money from deutch. stock down. market down. now see the end of cha chart? s&p 500, nothing else matters just tied to the deutsche bank story that has come way back with the speculation out there. neil: if we cut back, ease up on fines because institution might be coupled coupled with berlin talking, backstop, "the financial times" report, i will leave it at that you wonder if we're getting heated of ourselves and other entutions

did not get a back not under duress, if they say, hey, this isn't fair. >> seems like we've been through something like this almost. talking about speculation of a bailout, even though it may not be a traditional bailout, it comes to fruition, having similar facts, almost giving them a break. synonym for a bailout not like the government rushes in with money like in the past. maybe it doesn't happen. if you're the justice department the effect is similar. neil: thank you very much, my friend, connell mcshane. looking at potentially $14 billion fine for the role or alleged role in mortgage-backed securities and all the fancy-shmancy derivatives helping market. the fact if it is pared by 2/3 other banks wondering wait a minute, you pare settlements for us. or do you play this some sort of soap opera.

say you're in great duress and if governments get to tough on you, you go belly-up. we have charles payne. jonas fax ferris. and nina easton. what do you think of that? >> to some extent we're seeing a lot of arguments we saw back in 2008 of course being played out. these institutions too big to fail? and you know, i think that we've learned a lot, though, since 2008. u.s. banks are better capitalized. there is more of a, more of a sense that this could become global contagion if it is not taken care of right away. playing out right on the eve of the election. we can talk about that and how it will impact the candidates. neil: i do want to talk about that, but charles payne, the notion it has lehman brothers feel to it, to avoid a lehman brothers disaster something eight years ago was everywhere. what do you think?

>> nina pointed out the banking system was a lot stronger back then. it was much bigger ticking time bomb. neil: when you say stronger -- >> more capital ratios. neil: you can bleed cash fast in market selloff. >> not a market selloff. we already had a explosion, sort of saying the volcano erupted there is half a volcano left. if the other half erupts it won't be same previous -- neil: you keep pounding the notion, capital a lot of banks not figured into the equation value of their stock, right? if that plummets, not that it happened, isn't that part of the equation we don't appreciate? >> it is part but they also have to have more assets other than stock and you know, i will say if you to go down that path this week which was very underreported the federal reserve is beefing up the stress tests. that is something to keep an eye on. neil: why are they doing that. >> that is a big question. why would they be doing it now. it is very quiet.

you have to go to the website an monitor it all the time. having said that, i'm critic, eight, seven years later, the government pounding these banks for more and more money. where did the 14 billion number come from? that was arbitrary number pulled out of the left field. the valuation of the stock is 14 billion. there are two sides to this. as far as politics are concerned, yesterday hillary clinton said her favorite politician was angela merkel. would president obama throw her under the bus, angela merkel on the eve of the u.s. election allowing germany's biggest bank to go under or face more duress? there are so many parts to this story. neil: i think angela merkel is interesting because she leads a conservative government. that is whole another issue. jonas, on that how big of a deal this could be. i don't like the reasons for the rally. we all love a rally if you're long the market but i don't like the reasons pe this. >> a rally based on central banks doing something to keep a

bank propped up -- neil: or justice department curtailing fines. >> underlying earnings decline in the united states, that said i don't think we'll get a rally on bailout rumors, specifically the kind from 08 where we're handing money to banks. if it's a bailout, a political direct bailout somebody making a phone call you have to move the decimal point on the fine because the bank can't afford that. begs the question if they can't afford the crime maybe the crime wasn't lucrative. wells fargo could pay this and hurt their stock 50 cents. neil: they could open up bogus accounts. >> houses have gone you will up in europe this bank is not well-capitalized. they have deflation problems. assets backing their loans are not as good as wells fargo. this bank can't just write a $16 billion check. there is no bank can handle a panic. the banking business is leveraged.

i don't care what the rules are, if you get people scared, this isn't retail bank with a lost branches where people run and hedge funds don't want them a counterparty, the bank will collapse without someone stepping in. unfortunately the conservative point you made they don't want to bail out this bank, if they bail it the bank, italy banks want to bail out and greek banks. that will cause a bailout. this thing has to go under for there to be a bailout. neil: talking about banks here or abroad, they're joined at the hip in this sense that for example, when it comes to their central banks, easy money beats tough money. low rates the way they are beats those rates going up and every time there is even the hint from a fed governor, district president, whatever they might go up, sooner than the market thought, the market panics and that tells me that they had their druthers rates would never go up. all these central banks would never get tough when it comes to

inflation and that worries me as well. >> well that worries a lot of people, neil, but in fairness to our banking civil the banks, and not to be complete defender of everything our banks are doing, we did, our banking system, u.s. banking system went through stress tests, went through raising capital, went through cleansing of the system that the european banks franksly were late on doing and i think to some extent you're seeing it play out now. so you know, i think concerns are well-taken but so is the concern of setting off a worldwide financial contagion once again. neil: yeah. >> you know and -- neil: i don't want to be -- >> central banks are reacting, yeah. neil: i agree with you. i have don't wan to be a crepe hanger or alarmist. maybe the season. maybe another presidential election or maybe institution in trouble bringing my memory back here you but i want to get a sense from you about the overall economy worldwide. >> right. neil: because normally

developments like this hint of problems or they could be one-shot aberrations. what are they to you? >> america is still probably the best developed economy in the world. we're starting to get some traction. it is not saying much but to nina's point europe is in a lot of trouble. the european exit vote, to me it was not so much about the britain -- european union is unmitigated disaster. they have a bunch of large banks with a bunch of toxic assets, aging population and no real way to spark the economy outside of germany where people pay products a premium for. you separate the united states with that. today costco is soaring. if i go to costco this weekend i wait in line to pay for my 500 to $1000 stuff.

we're a separated from the rest of the world. not to jonas's point we could avoid total calamity but we have some breathing room. with the central banks, the bank of japan has been buying stocks directly through etfs, guess what? their market is getting hammered this year. neil: forcibly adjusting rate on 10-year note. jonas real fast, donald trump said in the debate that essentially this market is built on helium. a slight uptick by the fed all of sudden kablooy. >> his real estate portfolio is built on more helium than the stock market. he has properties with debt behind them valued -- neil: stock market itself. >> he is partially right but applies to all assets. not just the stock market. applies to real estate more than the stock market. that takes biggest hit. people don't buy stocks with leverage like 1929. >> that is what rosengren is afraid of. rosengren is a dove who voted for hike because he said the

biggest bubble we have is commercial real estate. neil: i tried to wake the world up here but if you guys don't follow me that, donald trump has new line of attack right now. the best way to help you follow it is to follow that money. there is lots of it too.

>> everything you need to know about hillary clinton can be understood with this simple phrase, follow the money. the wealthy donors who want to shut down american energy, they're donating to hillary clinton. follow the money. the wall street investors who have rigged the regulations

against the middle class, they're donating to hillary clinton. follow the money. neil: all right, something tells me that this has been time-tested in some internal polls within the trump camp but this money issue and clinton foundation and hillary and bill clinton how they became multigazillion nays after they left office it is resonating. i expect the next debate it will be something for donald trump a theme dominating. to answer some charges hillary clinton made in the debate, if not for bankruptcy laws favoring him he wouldn't be doing as well as he is. be that as it may, "real clear politics" reporter, caitlyn burns, getting back what he is trying, that she can't be trusted, that she is bought and paid for. he used that argument with jeb bush an candidates during the primary season who had a lot of financial support from outside groups but does it resonate?

>> it is interesting too, weighed her down in the democratic primary. neil: right. >> bernie sanders made similar charges, that resonated with democrats, more liberal democrats. i think it would have the potential to stick if this were not a week which donald trump was bungling his message. remember in the first half hour or so of the debate, his strongest points were going afr her on her ties, her decades-long ties to the establishment. exactly. for him it was solid message and something resonates in an election which people are craving change, when you look at polls, that is something that comes up over and over again. majority of people think we're on the wrong track. however he has used intervening hours and days and almost going on a week now to not press that message but has kind of stumbled into the clinton traps that have been laid for him on the miss universe issue. all -- neil: his people must have warned him. i know you get sick of being

asked this. i am not asking as woman, just someone analyzes it, that would be suicidal thing to go on, to start doing this stuff, start alienating women and men, as stuart varney pointed out, this is offensive language. you don't need to do it because you're on fire on some of these economic ones. >> that was the biggest critique after the debate, that he missed all opportunities to go after her on her vulnerabilities and present his vision, you know for the future, kind of his stances -- neil: wouldn't want to be on offense. heard every criticism on offense. >> especially we're 39 days out. early voting started in iowa. neil: people on these debates, it is pretty clear they helped hillary clinton. now, they go up and down, i understand that. but he can't afford one more debate like that last one. >> right, exactly. he has to prepare. and this is the criticism of him, that he kind of shoots from the hip. doesn't necessarily take the advice that is being given to him.

we heard advice from all sorts of people, including trump supporters on air, in interviews and such, trying to get him back on the message, focusing on the economy. focusing on hitting hillary clinton. and he just hasn't been able to do that. why i think the clinton attacks on him were effective was it kind of baited him into this, the situation where he felt it was so personal, he had to respond, right? neil: but money thing, when she raise the it with him in the bankruptcies and 14 million from his dad, not a million, should have been inconsequential to him, well i didn't get rich off of public service. but he didn't do that. i'm wondering if it is too late to do that now. this money hunt, calling follow the money, great idea, at the start of the campaign. a little late now. >> right. if he didn't have his own vulnerabilities on some of these issues too. looking at next debate, it is town hall format which can present opportunities and challenges for trump interest. we know he feeds off energy from the crowd.

neil: that might not be a crowd that loves him. >> exactly. he could use that to his advantage but could you imagine a scenario which he is asked a question by one member of the town hall that he doesn't find favorable to him? so he needs to work with his team to really practice that. there are a lot of theatrics involved in debates anyway, especially town hall format you're sitting down at some points. you're standing up, engaging with the crowd. i think that presents opportunities for him to change course a little bit here. whether he takes the advice being given to him by all sorts of people remains to be seen. if we know anything from the twitter streams that we saw early this morning that is kind of where he is thinking now. neil: but he is going to be interrupted more than she is. he will be challenged more than she is. that is just the way it is, right? >> right, but it depends. debates are a format you can bring up whatever you want to bring up. neil: exactly, distinct think, clearly, boom. >> exactly. you can use it to pivot an ask a question to your debate, right?

neil: yes. >> you can move on to something you want to talk about. and that is something he didn't recognize during the debate last time. neil: caitlyn, thank you very much. caitlyn huey burns, "real clear politics." we're getting more details on the hoboken train crash but a lot of what nancy pelosi was saying already surmising what was behind it? not so much.

neil: all right. we are getting some updates right now, latest hospital update on the hoboken train crash. 13 at jersey city medical center. one in stable condition. two in icu, two stable patients. at hoboken university medical center in hackensack, there are signs at least there are, injuries are not going to compromise lives here.

so we're still left with one fatality we have, better than 100 injured in total. to "the hill" transportation reporter on what is behind this right now. are they coming any closer now, melanie, to figure out what it was? >> it's a really slow process. just today we learned that the event recorder from the train was uncovered. they will be looking at engineer and interviewing him today. that is what federal investigators have said. but there is a still a lot we don't know. one thing we do know, that the train did appear to be speeding. came in at a high rate of speed and crashed into the station. neil: so it didn't have the so-called positive train control technology i guess that was implemented for trains nationwide or was to after last year's philadelphia amtrak crash that killed eight people, the idea being conductor loses crowscontrol of things, goes too fast, the train will automatically slow itself down, so it did not have that, right?

>> no it did not have that. congressman dated that every railroad by 2015. congress said we'll give you end of 2018 with option of one or two year extension. fra came out, federal railroad administration came out with the progress and railroads are slow to adopt the costly technology. neil: who is paying the bill for that? this was deem admit call sort of a witch hunt here, democratic governors, republican governors, democratic mayors, republican mayors, who weighed in on this where their train companies were talking about difficulty of getting this implemented so soon, they all pushed for this extension pretty much, right? >> right. so far the industry has chipped in about the 6 billion in private funding and these expect those costs to climb to 10 billion or more when it is

fully in operation. now congress has helped 650 million in grants since 2008. fra just awarded 25 million last month. they're currently accepting applications for another 200 million worth of grants. but, you know, the industry has raised concerns look, this is really expensive technology. we're being required to fulfill this mandate and we're not getting money from congress. president obama has proposed it in his budget, 1.25 billion, coming up with the funds is difficult challenge. neil: always easier said than done. i think nancy pelosi was saying if they don't have the technology, the trains don't have the technology, don't run. i don't know, that could be a commuting nightmare right there if it is that long. >> nancy pelosi yesterday, the minority leader of the house is said at her press conference if congress would extend the deadline maybe trains shouldn't be running if the risk was there. that doesn't seem like realistic

option for me. hopefully we revisit this. sound like what the feds are hoping to do, step up pressure, to put pressure on railroads to get in compliance for deadlines before the date they said they are going to. they're naturally incentivized to do this as well. of course like we said the cost is the big hurdle here. neil: thank you very much for taking the time. >> thank you so much. neil: a lot of you remember this whole deal with iran where it liked like they were getting $1.7 billion in cash flown over two private jets. whether there was quid pro quo. whether there was indeed ransom paid. we learned which were signing sanction papers the same day can as that hostage release, the same day as this cash was coming off the plane. wow i had so many thoughts once i left the hospital after a dvt blood clot. what about my wife...

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neil: all right, they say timing is everything but we're learning u.s. was signing sanction papers the very same day we had those hostages released. former reagan national security advisor bud mcfarland with us. always a pleasure to have you. >> a pleasure always, neil. neil: first off the we had the issue of cash, 1.7 billion maybe more.

all cash, timed with hostages and several on the network and shows you talking about clearly was a release timed to them getting this cash. now we understand potentially signing these sanction papers. what do you make of all this? >> well, series of deceptions, neil, that involved not only release of the hostages and what was clearly linked with the delivery of $400 million, but also disposition not disclosed to congress that they were also going to change the american position at the united nations that had held sanctions against banks aiding missile program of iran, missile program of course designed to carry warheads, whether nuclear or conventional but this was to have lasted for at least another eight years and for the administration first to agree to dismiss it or take a position for removing them, you

but then not even tell the congress about it, it is a double deception, frankly, quite dishonest. stuart: shimon peres's funeral today, warned maybe not as virulently as benjamin netanyahu doing any kind of a deal with the iranians, at best, i'm paraphrasing here, you delay the inevitable. in other words they're still up to building a nuclear arsenal and there are delays getting people there to check up on what they're doing and so they can hide and do a lot of things. do you agree with that? >> i do agree. i think it is even more serious than that. this focus on the nuclear program, it was designed to constrain it. and indeed it seems to me it is not only enabled it, and assuring that it can carry on, but when you look today, at what it has stimulated among arab states, across the persian gulf,

who today are seeking to have the at least equivalent opportunity that iran achieved under this agreement. so in short it is stimulating a nuclear arms race in the middle east. of course it didn't even deal, this agreement, didn't even deal with the other activities, the support for terrorism that iran is the largest state sponsor of terrorism in the world. nor did it involve any of the overt policies calling for the destruction of israel. so those weren't even on the table. but for us now to learn that what was agreed, which was really a very superficial, cosmetic effort to -- that didn't constrain the nuclear program seriously and see behind it were agreements by our country to relief sanctions that affected the missile program, this is just more deception and it is intolerable.

it has created a massive sense of threat for our country and for other countries in the middle east. neil: real quickly, bud, if you will indulge a political question because i know you try to stay above the fray, i commend you for that, what has come up in a lot of political ads, hillary clinton's against donald trump that he doesn't have the temperment to hold that office. and that he would be a loose cannon. many of your old colleagues agree. what do you think? >> well i think that all of us realize that there are flaws in candidates this year. in fact we're all counting and hoping that whomever may win this election, that the people around them will be sober, experienced, thoughtful people with specialties in the middle east but of course in china and russia, and a lot riding on that neil. neil: that's very diplomatically

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>> i'm nicole petallides with your fox business brief. stocks at 18,335. probably didn't anticipate this today, right? look at that, up 1% for the dow. s&p 500 up 20 and nasdaq gaining as well right now, up about 50 points. for the month, as we end the month, caterpillar an apple are some of the best performers. topping dow, walmart, disney, goldman sachs and jpmorgan. energy, industrials, materials an financials as some of the best performers. looking at financials. deutsche bank turning around with the biggest gain in five years. after now we have the ceo talk about the company that it is strong and also possible deal with the department of justice. looking at those, you see citigroup also higher.

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does. peter. reporter: commerce department turns control over internet corporation for assigned names and numbers to a united nations body tomorrow at least most of the function. after some senators failed to get a provision in the short-term funding bill to block the move. they worry it will give countries like china and russia more control over online speech. >> i rise today to discuss the significant irreparable damage this proposed internet give away could wreak not only on our nation but speech across the world. >> group of state attorneys general are suing to block the transfer. minutes 1998 the commerce department controlled ican, northern profit organization that managed domain names around the world but some countries pressured the u.s. to transfer the functions to the international body after various charges including ican did not

establish non-english dough names after edward snowden's disclose shares that u ask. a tool, perhaps an intelligence tool. neil? neil: peter, thank you very much. to congresswoman marcia blackburn, fine state of tennessee. congresswoman, what are we giving up here? >> what we're giving up is a lot. bear in mind the internet began as a project, a darpa project. there were four computers, four separate locations, four teams. they built this open source network. it moved to commercialization. ican came about to assign names and numbers. it has been housed in the commerce department. for us to give up control of this will allow a multistakeholder process. it will be tied with the u.n. i'm concerned about the international telecommunications workers weighing in on this and then other countries being able

to weigh in on our access, on priority and value of content, on what we receive, when we receive, how we reseat of it, neil. i think it's a very dangerous infringement of our free speech and our rights. neil: you know, congressman, i don't know whether those at the u.n. have the power to do this sort of thing but there was an idea bandied about there years ago, i can't exactly remember when, a global internet tax. >> right. neil: to advance whatever the cause de jure is. i don't know whether that is part of this but it worries me. could you help me understand would they have control over urls? in other words you're trying to start a site or whatever, it has to get cleared through this committee? it doesn't get that byzantine does it? >> when you have the ican what they will do is assign the names f you're trying to apply for new domains, for a new dot-com, or a

dot-net, this is the entity that you're going to be working with. of course it gives them some say. neil: why are we doing it, congressman? why are we doing it? it seemed to work fine. >> that's right. neil: even opponent of the internet said everything was working fine, so what prompted this? >> this goes back, if you bear in mind we go back to the net neutrality debate verizon versus fcc. and we started moving through that with our fcc trying to take control of the internet. then it moved into this, well, we should move to this multistakeholder process. and the person who was the ceo of ican over at commerce supported the multistakeholder process. and of course there were some who wanted it out of u.s. control because it now has gone from those four original computers and teams into something that is a global information service, and quite frankly i i do not think this

move will serve us well. i hope there are actions in the court before midnight that blocks the october 1st transfer. neil: quickly, congresswoman, the debate, fallout, donald trump losing a couple leads in a couple of key states, what do you think of that? >> i think that what we need to be doing is focusing on issues that, and not talking about all of these other accessory items. people are concerned about national security. they're concerned about the clinton foundation. they're concerned about those emails. what is happening with theut internet. you have all these other issues that are burning up airtime. so i would rather be focusing on issues of importance to the american people. neil: would that include mr. trump not mentioning people's weight or not going down that route? >> i, when we talk about weight, it should be the burden of weight that is going to be on our children and grandchildren for $20 trillion. >> touche, congresswoman.

very well-played. congresswoman, thank you very much. >> neil, good to see you. neil: that is pretty effective. donald trump is working on support in grand rapids, michigan where he is right now. polls are tight there, surprisingly tight, we'll get the very latest how he is trying to bring the working class to him. in case you think he is just getting angry white man in his campaign, even post that debate, think again. when it comes to healthcare,

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this despite the fact that governor johnson had problems with the press lately, including coming up with a world leader he liked. be that as it may the tribune doesn't care. the gist of the editorial to say well, he is not the other two. conservative review correspondent dineen borelli. what do you make of that, dineen, first off? >> how are you, neil? neil: i'm fine. >> this election has been nothing but a roller-coaster so to speak. with gary johnson, listen he made several gaffs. not really sure how that is going to affect him going forward. again he wasn't able to make the debate stage. neil: yeah. >> doesn't have the numbers and you know what we're really looking at are two candidates, hillary clinton and donald trump who are in this current presidential election. neil: you know what i noticed, dineen? could be just me. chances are i'm wrong, but what i notice we show polls featuring four individuals, all four premier candidates, including johnson and dr. stein, hillary's

lead shrinks if not evaporates. that can only lead me to conclude that particularly johnson, takes more votes from her than from donald trump, even though he is former republican, new mexico governor and presidential candidate. what do you think of that? >> i think he is resonating with young voters, the millenial voters and the other candidate, she is resonating with the green movement so to speak. but when you look at what's going on with the polls, especially after the debate of this week, i think what donald trump needs to do is stick on message because, as you mentioned before, some of the key swing states, hillary clinton has moved ahead you but only slightly, but six points or two or three points in these states. neil: right. >> so he needs to stay on message. continue to hammer home his pro-growth policy of lower taxes, less regulations especially in the fossil fuel industry. that is something that will create job growth and economic prosperity for the country.

neil: i saw a statistic on stuart varney's show, dineen, it was kind of interesting we focus on this first debate which was not a great outing for donald trump. polls seemed to confirm it but seven of the nine winners of the first debate, last nine, went down to defeat, most recent of course mitt romney had a great opening performance against barack obama. ended up losing other two debates. there were other factors involved, ended up losing the whole thing, i'm asking you, added pressure on donald trump for that next debate in a town hall format. what does he have to do differently? >> what he needs to do is stay focused, neil. americans do want to hear what the candidates have to present for the country in order to make informed decision. trump needs to continue to hammer his message home, that it is national security, law and order. keeping american streets safe and secure. economic security. neil: but he doesn't do it, dineen, right? for some reason he gets

sidetracked or takes the bait and goes into talking about, you know, miss universe and she needed to lose weight. >> if i were advising him, that is what i would tell him to do because people don't want to go down that rabbit hole, that side track. what are you going to do for the country, with my job, with my family, getting ahead in society. really pro-growth initiatives. you look at current administration, how some families have been harmed by obama's failed policies. hillary clinton presidency will be continuation of the same poll significance. neil: he can't help himself. he can't help himself. someone has to tighten him up. he starts out great. type of format makes it tough. maybe better, a little bit of an audience he interacting with but he can't do it very long. >> he is definitely watching polls, neil. especially after this debate. i think that would be indication to him to stay on message. otherwise things will not go into the direction he would like for it to. neil: i should remind him, male

or female, when you start picking on people's weight, fat chance. i worked on that for hours. dineen, thank you very much. >> thanks, neil. neil: speaking of debates, the vice-presidential one is coming up we're there from farmville, virginia, on this fine network, 8:00 p.m. to 1:00 amgen. whose idea was 1:00 a.m. ram, was that yours? it was ralph. he is already there in "farmville" as we speak. we'll have more after this.

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stuart: stocks continuing to rally and hope of a rescue and easier punishment from deutsche bank and maybe they are joined at the hip. we have been busy trying to penalize banks for their role in the 2008 meltdown and it was deutsche bank's turn and we were looking at a $14 billion fine

and it will be whittled down dramatically which is good news for deutsche bank because if it is $14 billion that is there market worth. doesn't look like that is the case, if everything came to the brink the german government would come to the rescue, deutsche bank which is a fraction of what was trading at a month ago up appreciably today, 14%, very low levels, marketwatch's bill watts is with us. the rationale behind this event, built on a rescue or easier punishment for financial institutions but at its core is a hope for help from somebody. don't know if we should be celebrating that but what do you think? >> $14 billion number quoted, very few people believe that would be what deutsche bank is looking at because usually you see these negotiations go back

and forth, seems like a highball number. it seems the number would be smaller but a lot of uncertainty about how big it would be but the market reaction tells us a lot about the fact that people are worried more about this than they are things like what is on deutsche bank's balance sheet or things like that. neil: if i am looking at this i am thinking i can be under enormous duress, i can get out of paying a big sign, you can flip it around and look at it that way. >> they are going to take a substantial hit here. there is the question of it does create political problems especially in germany. that does factor into negotiations here, germany

doesn't want to be in a position where they have to bail out the bank. neil: do you think they would if push came to shove, they don't want to do it, the conservative government's dna, they would? >> hard to see how that would let deutsche bank go down especially given potential systemic ramifications of that. neil: would that extend to us? we are better capitalized but is there fear if deutsche went down that others would follow and contagion would spread? >> most people don't see that as a primary threat. the bigger threat is they have to raise capital and that will dilute shareholders but if they were in a situation where they did go down, people are very worried, they have a huge

derivative book, the mf highlighted deutsche bank as the biggest source of systemic risk to the financial system and u.s. bank so the counterparty risk is something that would come to the 4 in the straits. neil: much different financial sector reaction. thank you very much. speaking of things business donald trump defending his own business record even though he is getting attacked left and right. >> i paid no taxes and that makes me smart, doesn't make the rest of us suckers. think about it. can you think of any president you study, read about or new who would say anything like that? name me one. >> what kind of person believes that? throwing people out of their

homes, foreclosing on them, destroying the dreams of hard-working people is just business. i tell you that is a person who should never be president because they don't understand the american dream. neil: he is a nasty business as ob. i want to flip it around. is an that exactly the type of guy you want handling our tax money? someone very tough on contractors, someone who will demand they come on budget or under budget, doesn't happen in government. isn't that the guy you do want in charge? julie gray, trump bakker and democratic strategist richard goodstein. you are a fan of mister trump and his business acumen so i assume your answer is yes, that is the guy we need. >> there is a difference between driving a hard bargn, nobody in your audience would deny

anybody the right to do that but that is different from stiffing contractors, people who did the work, not trying to nickel and dime them, he totally stiffed them, contractors, 4 people who invested in trump university who lost tens of thousands of dollars, put money into the foundation and engaged in illegal self-healing and political contributions, the final piece is don't take hillary clinton's where or joe biden's, on the republican side in the business community, should be nowhere. >> one thing that was raised, people are conflating issues as my friend richard might have, saying you don't want a guy like this to do things. i have seen him undertake projects that were not getting

done on the municipal level, stagnating for years in a matter of months can the he gets the job done on budget and away we go. i am not saying the world is alone but i am saying he does have a history of getting huge projects done under budget and wouldn't you want that for someone watching our money? >> when i was a kid growing up in new york the first time i heard nald trump's name was about the same ice-skating rink where new york spent years and could not get an ice skating rink going and donald trump came in under budget and still runs that ice-skating rink today. that type of thing you never see an entrepreneurial spirit or level of accountability whatsoever and it is a common technique on the part of the left. we have seen this in my home state of california. when someone comes out of the private sector and runs for office and is not a career politician and made tough choices, what happens is they take the business record and

replay it and subjected to political standards anytime there is a dispute it is blown up into a big deal. donald trump is running for different type of office with different parameters and it would be repression to have someone with a government contractor accountable to make sure we are competitively bidding for those things. neil: we play both ways, one thing that comes up, all this stuff is getting in the way whether it is in public contractors or a comment about a beauty pageant's wait, it distracts from his message. what is not effective is turning this around saying if you want more deficits and government cost overruns or programs that start at $100 billion and turn into $1 trillion choose your person but he didn't do that. he had to answer to charges that he is ivan boesky with different

hair. >> not a big secret that trump is not a choir boy. you don't build a billion-dollar empire without stepping on toes along the way it hillary clinton has no room to talk in terms of corruption with business. she had issues back to whitewater. he has had success when it comes to speaking on message but his tax plan is fantastic, reminiscent of congress's gop plan. neil: he doesn't respond to her and say i advance my wealth, you use your time in the white house to advance yours but he was caught flat footed. what does he have to do to change the narrative? >> he continues to stay on message, need to stop saying petty things but there was a gallup poll yesterday or the day before that said millennial trust him to handle wall street

corruption more than they do hillary clinton. a washington post poll said americans trust trump more with the economy. neil: your candidate on issues that matter to people like money and all that and getting the economy turns around they go to him. >> we saw the same thing with mitt romney when he was running for president was a former guy is credited with knowing how to make businesses and the government as a result work. the problem trump has, we had a clinton administration with the most robust economic growth and job creation ever, 78 straight months under a rock obama private-sector job growth and lower taxes, smaller government, more defense. that was a george w. bush program that had the biggest economic life we have seen since the depression. neil: he didn't create the banking crisis.

go ahead. >> he did say that we on regulations and the regulators tended to look the other way at least a little bit. neil: we have more regulations now under their feet. what i am asking is how does donald trump convince people his particular business skills are necessary now because he is losing the emotional level looking like the bank or in it's a wonderful life. what does he do? >> the free enterprise system created the biggest and most generous country on earth in terms of the size of the economy and generations of americans giving to charity. no one competes around the world and the first 20 minutes of the debate monday donald trump did a good job. he was winning in the first 20 minutes, doing great focusing on

economic growth. and then the tax question came and he never got it back. one candidate running for president is a strong defender and proponent of the american free enterprise system and that is donald trump. hillary clinton never defend the virtue of the system, and the american free enterprise system. if he place to that and focuses on that, and in terms of the distraction that has got to go away and is a unifying message to focus on the free enterprise system, republicans up and down the ballot to unify behind that message. neil: we will watch closely. i want to thank all of you. you might have seen a few polls that look good for hillary clinton. a new fox news poll at 6:00 pm eastern time, don't forget to watch that. i have it right here, no i don't. donald trump is fine-tuning his debate strategy.

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neil: forget donald trump reassessing his debate strategy. the media seems to enjoy the constant interruption and questioning of donald trump and i am not saying that wasn't justified but it didn't happen as often as he did with hillary clinton.

i think if you are going to be a moderator, you're going to grill one candidate you have to grilli other candidate. that is something i didn't see. >> i agree. welcome back, great to have you back in action. we have this article from the new york times saying that trump poses such a unique potential danger as president that it is okay to throw out journalistic standards, not that they really existed in recent elections but that is the argument. neil: i heard something better than fat. i forget where i was watching it, might have been cnn, a former debate moderator was there. what would she asked? i wouldn't ask anything about the clinton emails because no one cares about that.

i wouldn't go into the clinton initiative because no one cares about that but she was going to go you know what when it comes to donald trump's taxes. fine, you want to go to donald trump's taxes but you just obliterated an issue that seems to paul highly for americans, and who are you to say what is an issue and isn't anyway? >> absolutely. the issue of what she described as her mistake for not using the state department server is national security scandal, putting classified material virtually every day for four years as secretary of state, that seems disqualifying. neil: it is on the level of tax returns. if you say all candidates release their tax returns fine, and his returns, that is great.

leaking those is one thing but the issue for national security is another. i am not comparing thewo. and have at it. >> and -- neil: there is more to it than that. there is a club mentality -- not saying my colleagues are sinister but they don't like a certain line of questioning. matt lauer interrupted hillary clinton a lot, bret baer interrupted president bush. they would prefer it done to president bush or donald trump, but the other way around, they can turn on you at this is a club you don't want to be turned on. >> matt lauer played a big price

among his colleagues. lester holt got the message, if you watch the debate he started out seemingly fairly innocuous and just trying to be down the middle but it turned into something where he went after trump on several issues and completely ignored benghazi, the clinton foundation, the clinton emails, all those things, never got any kind of hearing by lester holt. he got the message from the media about how to handle the debate. neil: everyone wants to be part of the club. thank you very much. again, i am agnostic. if you go after a candidate, go after donald trump, show the same deal after hillary clinton. how the candidates handle it.

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neil: adam shapiro is covering the train crash story. trying to get to the bottom of this thing. >> i want to show you video that shows the train at a high rate of speed at hoboken. and bring you up to speed with the ntsb investigation. and they refer to it as an event recorder from the rear locomotives, pushing the train into the station. from the front car, and a threat to ntsb investigators. we spoke with the vice chair of

the ntsb and she said the kind of information recovered from those event recorders includes things like the speed of the train and whether brakes were applied. here is what she had to say. >> we hope, this is always and if, if the data are available, we will be able to get information like speed and breaking and we will be able to know precisely what the speed was which is a big question. >> reporter: also speaking with the engineer of the train, thomas gallagher who was originally listed as being in critical condition, was released from the hospital yesterday. he is home now, with new jersey transit 21 years, an engineer for 18 years, people riding the train say they never felt the brakes engage. that is one of the questions the ntsb will want to speak to mister gallagher about but they are drawing no conclusions yet.

they are also going to try to rebuild 72 hours prior to the accident what he might have been doing and match that up with toxicology tests conducted at the hospital. this investigation could take up to a year. they will be here for ten days but they don't say they will have any expected conclusions for about a year. neil: do you know the video you showed, how far was it from hoboken at that point? >> reporter: i don't have the specific distance as to where that video was but there was surveillance video outside the train station in different businesses with surveillance cameras and also surveillance videos within the train station and actual cameras on the front car with the event recorder. and that is part of the investigation. the answer is i don't know.

neil: they have cameras and images, thank you very much. tom kane on the phone with us, cochair of the 9/11 commission, governor, this incident in new jersey, where do you make of it? >> hard to know when they know the facts, it will not -- we won't find anything for a year. a year to finish the investigation. we need to know if the engineer was all right, or asleep, just ask him and he find that out and whether the brakes were applied or not is something we will find out soon. the information coming out in the next week or so, thousands of people running these trains every day. we want to know and we want to know if there is anything we

should be doing to prevent anything happening on another train. neil: nancy pelosi, minority leader, said yesterday there was a delay in getting special technology that would slow a train down and this train didn't have it. a lot of trains don't have it even though they are going to face it over the next few years but she said something else that struck me as a bit odd, those trains shouldn't be operating until they do have it. that would be a commuter's nightmare but what did youthink? >> these trains good or bad, for a long time, we haven't had anything like this happen. i would think we keep the trains operating but as soon as we get it installed we ought to for an additional safety measure, whether it would have prevented this we don't know but we will find out. we should have it installed as soon as possible.

neil: i want to switch to 9/11. congress overriding this president, first time he has been overridden, on this 9/11 law that would allow families to sue in this case, saudi arabia for its role in the 9/11 attacks, what do you think of it is >> i don't always agree with the president but in this case i think he was right. for a number of reasons. the first is once we pass a law like this it gives people around the world the right to bring american citizens into their courts and sue american citizens, and the same system of judgment we do, american soldiers, business people, american tourists get caught up in a way that we are not going to like. for that reason and a couple other reasons, i am sorry they did it. trying to blame and get money

and all that, i just don't think this was the right remedy of the president is right and we will regret doing it. neil: we also heard from the saudi's, they are not surprisingly pleased with this and i woer if there was any coincidence, the timing of their decision thursday to curtail oil production when this happened. it is a commitment to do this next month but the price of oil is if we send a signal if you mess with us we mess with you, that is my interpretation. i find the timing odd. what do you think? >> i don't think that is right. you may the right but i don't think so. neil: you are not a vindictive person that i am. i find it odd. >> there are other things they can do. there are assets in this

country. if they think they are in line of being confiscated, a court decision taken away from them or can't get at them, they are moving assets out of the country and that is an economic flow, certainly some industries in some areas of the country and things like that they can do, and if they want to be tit-for-tat that is the kind of thing we will see and we need the saudi's, in that part of the world, a lot of friends. and the saudi's have been a pretty consistent friend over the years and we investigated the saudi government because of the allegations. neil: there were 28 pages in the report, some linkage. >> the 28 pages, that was the first draft. we had the same staff members that went over that, we did it

and the final decision, and the conclusion was not absolutely but we could find no evidence. we sent the same congressional investigators over to saudi arabia, they talked to saudi officials, we couldn't find any involvement by the saudi government in 9/11 so this will be a long trial as people try to see, and no evidence we can find by the saudi government. neil: it is out there and game on. thank you for taking the time. governor tom kean of new jersey. a fine rally to end the month. the only problem is what is causing it to rally.

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neil: all right. donald trump has probably looked at some latest polls. these are not online polls, ones that get a little bit of mockery, legitimate polls showing the race reversing itself in some battleground states. polls tightening up or hillary

clinton widening her lead, post-the debate, prompting talk in the trump cam you have to do something and fast to reverse that. connell mcshane on that and what the trump folks want to see him do. reporter: apparently there are leaks in the trump campaign. you see the tweets. he is going to die. he was up early this morning. after he got through three tweets about alicia machado former miss venezuela, anytime you see sources in a story don't believe them. there are no sources. they're just made up lies. there was another one about how, if they don't name the sources, the sources don't exist. which i think most people, reporters and others would argue is just not true, coming out not made up by every reporter writings them or broad can casting them, more to the point there are people inside of trump campaign do want him to make changes. new format in the next debate. neil: will he? he started out doing i think what a lot ever them told him to do, stay on message, start on

the economy, started out strong and petered out. >> yeah. neil: is he heeding that advice or so annoyed by these leaks if they're not genuine leaks or whatever, the hell with all of you? >> the annoyed part i think is fairly obvious from the tweets. we know he is annoyed. neil: i thought he stopped tweeting. >> i thought so too. i gave it a quick check before 6:00 to see if he is up and adam, which he was. they took his phone. neil: no, no. >> excuse me. so he goes into a new form mat this debate. the town hall, this is only one that is a little strange because it is different than the first and different than the third. so what the kind ever questions will he get? how will he handle that format? i'm not sure this format necessarily favors either one of them. mean bill clinton -- neil: he works well off an audience. the audience will be involved. but that audience by design supposed to be neutral. some of his supporters, some of

her supporters. usually kids from the school are allowed in. >> his business moments in audiences is rally where he plays off a crowd that loves him, epdoorses him, there to get fired you up by him. whereas in the town hall that is little bit different. not to say she will excel there. her husband has in the past. '92, his best debate was the town hall. bush looking at watch. bill clinton took advantage of that. hillary clinton has been doing it for years. she had the listening tour when ran for senate in 2000. but she struggled with matt lauer. was only her up on stage. that was town hall format. not two candidates. i'm not sure it favors either one of them. neil: a lot of people who love him dearly and say, when you're on necessariage, you're unstoppable. that is fairly true. >> he was the at beginning. neil: when you get into the weight stuff and all of that, these personal attacks. then doesn't let go. next day even. this morning he was back at it. >> yes. neil: he can't let got.

>> he can't let no attack go unresponded to. there is some merit to that. politically you want to respond to attacks to make sure they don't stand. the way which he does it, i thought one. telling moments at the debate at hofstra he purposely changed subject back to himself with no need. he was on her emails you remember, scoring some points, talking about the emails. in the middle of an answer unprovoked took a pause, something to the effect, well as for my taxes. went back to his taxes without anybody asking him about it because he had been attacked on that. he let that go. i don't think he can, that part. i don't think he can let it go. neil: "frozen" moment, let it go. i'm hearing that music again. >> don't start that. neil: connell, thank you very much. connell will join me by the way. we have the big vice-presidential debate tuesday. we'll be in farmville, virginia? >> where? neil: farmville, virginia. >> got it. neil: starts 8:00 p.m. on the fine network. happy to hear, connell, goes 1:00 a.m. >> oh, it is? neil: you will be back on the

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>> ashley webster from the floor of the new york stock exchange with your fox business brief. all three markets firmly in the green. the dow up now 180 points. good for a 1% gain. s&p and nasdaq also showing some nice gains on this friday. topping the s&p for you, we have southwest energy up 4 1/2%. rockwell up 4%. pbh also up four. costco joining in the party, up 4%. let's take a look at amazon, again hitting another record high. this is the fourth consecutive record. 22nd this year. that is giving cheer to the tech sector, best performing this week. qualcomm up 10%. nvidia up 6%. hewlett-packard up four. good day for the markets. neil cavuto will be back after this.

neil: all right stocks in rally mode looks like our justice department might not the punish deutsche bank as severely for the mortgage-backed derivatives and related products behind the 2008 meltdown. instead after 14 billion-dollar fine, it might be a fraction of that that eased fears that deutsche bank would run out of money or be under capitalized which is big issue for banks as everything hits the fan.

there is talk in berlin there might be a fall back in all else fails and government would be there to shore up deutch to avoid worldwide contagion. the latter part is more rumor than fact. the fact that the justice department looking to ease that fine, that is pretty safe one. former philadelphia federal reserve president, charles plosser. good to have you you. >> good to be here, neil. neil: what do you think of the deutch thing? are we past the hurdle here or what is your sense of isn't. >> i think it is hard to tell. certainly true, european banks are not as strong and healthy as european banks. they have challenges facing them. i think hopefully this will pass without much difficult. but i think europe still has its banking challenges. you know, we always talk about how the markets these days respond to these kind of developments. if you think about it, charles. they're responding to stimulus. and government stimulus.

i know it is awkward way to describe it. but the fact that governments in a way are coming to deutch's rescue. i don't know if that is such a thing to cheer. what do you make of it? >> i certainly wouldn't cheer it either. i think we need to get out of a mode where we're always looking for either the central bank or the government to rescue people or pull them out of a hole they have dug themselves into. i don't think that is healthy thing. it is not healthy for markets or for companies or for business. so i'm concerned over longer term we're not doing ourselves a big favor having that attitude. neil: i don't want you to get into politics. you adroitly avoid it even in post-fed days. i want you to talk about what donald trump said about this market and priced for perfection

and federal reserve kept it going with low interest rates. otherrers expressed that outside of political circles. are you concerned that when interest rates go up, i'm not smart enough to no when, there will be hell to pay. >> i certainly hope not. nobody knows for sure. neil: you do. no, i don't know for sure. but i don't think it will be a problem. interest rates can begin to rise grat allly. i think they should be rising gradually. neil: do you think they're behind the curve, by the way, they're not rising already? >> i'm a bit concerned that they're behind the curve, yes, i am. i think that my concern is, that the fed really doesn't have a very clear-cut strategy about how they want to go about doing this. and, that's not good either because that leaves confusion with the markets. they don't know what the fed is going to do. and the fed does know what it is going to do. i would be happier if they articulate a clearer strategy of

what data they will look at, how they will make their decisions depending on that data. everybody would be a lot, a lot happier i guess with a little more clarity as to what the strategy actually is. neil: does anyone clear when you were there at philadelphia fed, your statements to address a financial group or whatever? because it seems like lately they all go out, fan out to the various conferences and say different things and we're all confused. and i, is there a process, by which, all right, plosser will be out in wyoming and he is going to say something and janet yellen at the time, she will be somewhere else? or you just do your own thing, all of you? >> for the most part you do your own thing but remember, they're all talking to each other and they're all sitting in the same room at fomc meetings. neil: but they have to no everyone of them, especially if you're on the open market committee, everything you say will be scrutinized really closely.

>> absolutely. you do know that. neil: yeah. >> you have, you know, an ability, if you will, because of your position, to be able to articulate views and articulate opinions. and you know, at this time in an economic cycle where you're changing direction, trying to raise rates, it is not unusual you will have a lot of different opinions. you have 19 people sitting around at the table, all smart with their own views. so when you reach a inflection point -- neil: but they say you're confusing the hell out of people, you have a dove saying this, a hawk saying this, you know? >> they don't say quite that way. they do talk about -- neil: they show more class than i would. all right. >> but they do worry about their communication, but the problem is, they don't have a common message. and they don't have a common, what we would call a reaction function about how they're going to make their decisions. so, when times are uncertain, you get disagreements.

i think that is actually, i think, neil, that is healthy because it tells the public what the debates are inside the fomc the public he deserves -- and that's useful. neil: you're a gentleman always, and a scholar. charles plosser, former federal reserve philadelphia fed president. good to see you, my friend. >> thank you, neil. enjoyed it. neil: be well. one thing for donald trump to start talking about fat miss universe winners. but then talk that he was talking about firing women who weren't pretty enough? wow. after this.

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sometimes take on life of their own but for donald trump he has another issue to deal with. that he directed staff at one of his facilities to fire unattractive host tests. dagen mcdowell with more on that. how that is reverberating. what do you think? >> these are court documents uncovered by "the los angeles times," related to a lawsuit not over firing of unattractive people but lawsuit filed in 2012. it was settle ad year later. it involved the trump, involved the organization, how much the employees were working and breaks they got but in these court documents there are accusations by former employees at the trump golf club in rancho palos verdes california, allegedly trump saying he didn't want unattractive people as hostesses in the club's restaurant. that he didn't want overweight women in, working in the club's restaurant or unattractive people. neil: this wasn't a casino?

>> no this is the trump national golf club. neil: casinos go ahead and hire attractive women. >> in some instances at some organizations it could be allowed under the law but that is beside the point. i think all businessmen and all business owners and business women run into lawsuits of varying kinds, even if it is about someone's appearance but the point is, he is running for presidency where a little more than a month away from the election, and he has had issues with how he has talked about women. how he talked to women. neil: it hasn't affected with women. women said i don't care about his policy views i can't vote for him? >> clearly a lot of women are supporting him but hillary clinton is playing into that. that is why overnight, you know, 3:25 a.m. tweeting about miss universe, can i use this word? it is so insane that he is still harping on this issue, that, hillary clinton --

neil: drop it and move on. >> she put the bait in the water during the debate. who cares? have you read the tweets? have you read the tweets in the middle of the night? neil: i did. >> he is talking about -- neil: your tweets are worse frankly. >> no they're not, actually. someone said that to me. i said you know what? i know when to stay off twitter if i'm going to make myself look like an ass. that's what i said. neil: look at the time. >> why, he got to leave it alone. he has to leave the stuff alone. talk about the economy. talk about your issues. talk about making wages grow again. neil: on -- as fat man, why not. i feel so vulnerable. >> how would you feel? neil: i would cry. more after this. rotect this cus, who lives here and flies to hong kong, to visit this company that makes smart phones, used by this vice president, this little kid, oops, and this obstetrician,

who works across the street from this man, who creates software. they all have insurance crafted personally for them. not just coverage, craftsmanship. not just insured. chubb insured.

neil: all right. we are getting first batch of polls coming in. as you know, post the debate. a lot of them showing hillary clinton doing well. not all the races are still

tight no matter how you slice it. next batch from fox 6:00 p.m. eastern time. charles payne ask on the air for that. i've got them right here though. oh, my gosh. i don't. this is just a joke, okay? we'll be in farmville, virginia, for the big vp debate. don't forget that next week. trish regan. trish: you are such a tease, you know that? neil: that is the way i run. trish: we look forward to getting results at 6:00 p.m. tonight. breaking, everyone, donald trump on a new twitter tirade that began in the wee hours of the morning. he is blasting hillary clinton for linking up with former miss universe alicia machado. wait until you hear what he is saying. i am trish regan. welcome, everyone, to "the intelligence report." donald trump is campaigning in michigan right now, a state he really needs to win, but new post-debate numbers show it will be uphill battle. clinton leading him there by seven points. he may have trouble in more than just michigan based on his performance monday night.